What will Mercedes do to Rosberg?

"ncasolowork2" (ncasolowork2) 08/25/2014 at 08:31 • Filed to: None

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I've got some ideas. I've also got some concerns about what this means in the race. The fact that Rosberg is still butt hurt about Hungary might even exceed Hamilton levels of childishness. To intentionally allow contact between team cars is much worse than any of Hamilton's prima donnaneess. Lewis would ruin his own race when he's butt hurt. Nico chose to ruin his and his teammate's race.

So Nico put Lewis out of a race. That puts him at a significant advantage in the championship. With only 18 races to score points for Lewis Nico has 19. An act of deliberate sabotage should be met with some severe consequences from Mercedes. I don't think they have the balls to park him for Monza, but they should. I think if they don't this will only escalate. Why would Lewis have any reason to listen to team orders (assuming they are going to impose them) when there are no consequences for intentionally making contact with your teammate (I realize he chose not to avoid it rather than intentionally hitting Lewis, but in the end the result is the same).

So what will Mercedes do? I'd park him for the race, but as I said they won't. Best case scenario Nico sits out FP1 and FP2 in Monza, but don't count on it. Worst case scenario the two drivers are no longer allowed to race period.

Nerd-Vol > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 08:40

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I hope they fire him, and send him to Iraq.

Have Susie Wolff or heikki take his seat. Maybe barichello.

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 08:57

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My dream scenario: Barrichello takes the seat for one race and it's HAM-BAR 1-2. Not gonna happen though.

FrederickLawOlmsteez > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 09:00

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An act of deliberate sabotage should be met with some severe consequences from Mercedes.

Agreed. But where is the evidence that this was deliberate? You'd need Nicco's admission (directly, not from his self-appointed PR person, Lewis) or some clear telemetry.

There is no chance on earth they are going to sit a driver that is #1 in points. If the positions were swapped in that incident, this whole thing would be dismissed with "Oh, that's Lewis."

Hermann > With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username 08/25/2014 at 09:02

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Well, better than Massa taking the spot and turning it into HAM-MAS. That'd raise some eyebrows.

ncasolowork2 > FrederickLawOlmsteez 08/25/2014 at 09:26

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Toto Wolffe confirmed Hamilton's comments and then later backed off and tried to spin them a bit. Ultimately Nico allowed the contact to happen. There's no doubting that at this point. Mercedes has stated there will be consequences more severe than a slap on the wrist. It remains to be seen just how severe those consequences are.

Also if Nico doesn't hit Lewis who knows maybe Lewis is #1 in points after that race.

And I disagree if roles were swapped. If roles were swapped Lewis would sabotage himself. He's not smart enough to take someone else out. When Lewis gets all wrong in the head he makes mistakes and hurts his own title hopes.

ncasolowork2 > With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username 08/25/2014 at 09:26

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If I'm honest Williams is the favorite at Monza in my mind.

ncasolowork2 > Nerd-Vol 08/25/2014 at 09:28

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Really really needs to be a driver with experience in 2014 machinery. I'd give the seat to Kobayashi and let Caterham get paid by Lotterer for another race.

f86sabre > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 09:34

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I am so entertained by how wound up people are over this. This is nothing. Senna and a Schumacher intentionally used cars as weapons and next to nothing happened to them. Hell, people loved them for it. This was a close move that didn't work out and a dumb explanation. This is nothing.

Merc will not park their prime chance at a a championship. 10 years from now no one will remember. They wouldn't park HAM if he had done it either.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SvSgJD…

Tripper > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 09:45

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It will be a slap on this wrist, if that.

ncasolowork2 > f86sabre 08/25/2014 at 09:46

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That's just the thing. If they don't do something significant Hamilton will do it. The message is clear. Race dirty.

ncasolowork2 > Tripper 08/25/2014 at 09:51

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph…

Tripper > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 09:53

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Cool, hit me back when something actually happens

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 09:58

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I'm not convinced that it wasn't an accident and that Rosberg just didn't want to admit his mistake, so he decided to say it was intentional to screw with Hamilton and the team.

ncasolowork2 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/25/2014 at 10:48

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He would have been better off blaming Lewis if that was the case. A strong case can be made that Hamilton cut Rosberg off. He can't possibly be that stupid.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 11:04

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Great analysis here: http://blog.axisofoversteer.com/2014/08/hamilt…

ncasolowork2 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/25/2014 at 11:22

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I disagree as the whole article seems to ignore the fact that Rosberg intentionally let the two cars come into contact. Taking Rosberg's comments out of the equation it was a racing incident that Rosberg could have avoided and was probably a bit on Hamilton for not giving room (though at that point he was far enough ahead that the corner really did belong to him). That's just the thing though. You can't ignore that Nico said he purposely didn't avoid him.

As for Hungary? The team orders were garbage. If Lewis had slowed down to let Rosberg by that would have given Ricciardo the gap he needed to pit and get out ahead of Hamilton. Lewis didn't know that at the time but he did know that Nico wasn't exactly close enough to make moving over practical.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 11:31

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It's just so hard for me to believe that he'd cut into him like that. It's one thing if they both stayed on their line and touched, but Nico's move sure looks like he was attempting to tuck back in. If he actually was trying to cut Hamilton's tire (like he ended up doing), it's just crazy that he let his emotions take him to that point.

ncasolowork2 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/25/2014 at 11:54

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I don't think it matters if it is hard to believe or not. I don't think Rosberg necessarily intended to cut Hamilton's tire. I think he intended to allow them to make contact and accept whatever that meant for damage to both of their cars.

I've never raced in real life, but I've done tons of sim racing. I can tell you when I am in the moment and concentrating I see drivers throw moves that look like reckless blocks. When I go back and watch it on replay it looks like nothing I remembered seeing. I think drivers have a hyper awareness in the moment and it is easy for me to say Nico saw exactly what was coming. He knew Lewis was going to return to the racing line because of how far back he was and accepted contact was going to be made. He didn't intentionally hit Lewis, but in a sense he did.

If he's just making that up about hitting Hamilton he's a bigger moron than if he allowed it to happen on purpose. The incident could have so easily been blamed on Hamilton or explained as a racing deal. It doesn't even have to be "I made a mistake" as there are a couple other even better ways to explain it off.

With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 11:59

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Favorite to take an opportunistic win from a Mercedes mistake, sure, but favorite outright?

ncasolowork2 > With-a-G is back to not having anything written after his username 08/25/2014 at 12:02

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Yup favorite outright. Consider Hockenheim ring. Lewis Hamilton couldn't keep up with Bottas in a straight line despite having the DRS advantage. This is Monza. The track where straightline speed is more important than any other track on the schedule. I consider Williams outright favorite this week.

ihm96 > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 13:54

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He may have also not realized that Ham, Wolff, and Lauda would reveal his comments about making contact to prove a point to the public. His interviews directly after the race were much different, and he may have not realized that his private meeting comments would become public so he though it was okay to admit his true intentions

ihm96 > ncasolowork2 08/25/2014 at 13:57

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Lotterers situation really saddened me. It would have been cool to see how he couldve done in the race with that short of a chance to learn the F1 car. Did he pay Caterham? I didn't hear anything about that

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > f86sabre 08/25/2014 at 18:53

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They didn't do it to their team mates. That's why this is different.

f86sabre > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 08/26/2014 at 01:38

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Suzuka 1989. Prost and Senna at McLaren

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > f86sabre 08/26/2014 at 08:22

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Senna and a Schumacher intentionally used cars as weapons

Prost made that move, not Senna. I'm fairly certain that people vilify Prost for that more than when Senna rammed him a year later when they were in different teams.